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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [M] unpleasant behaviour
[M] unpleasant behaviour [message #237859] Fr, 17 März 2006 17:39
Graycat  
Please, can we agree to _NOT_ reply to people who
persistently and obviously tro ty aggravate the group.

Don't start an argument.

Don't continue an argument.

Don't try to finish an argument.

Don't try to one up them.

Don't try to get the last word.

Don't say "whatever".

Don't plonk them.

Just, _please_, don't do anything except kleep talking as
usual in other threads.

Anything else hurts the _group_, not the targeted poster.

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #237885 ] Fr, 17 März 2006 16:44
Jeff C  
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:39:56 +0100, Graycat wrote:


> Don't plonk them.

Or at the very least, plonk *quietly*. Nobody else needs to know your
viewing choices.
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #237912 ] Fr, 17 März 2006 20:53
exquisite witch peach  
Jessie C wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:39:56 +0100, Graycat wrote:
>
>
>
>>Don't plonk them.
>
>
> Or at the very least, plonk *quietly*. Nobody else needs to know your
> viewing choices.


Ok, as an idle curiosity...

There are some who have expressed that they are enjoying toying with
the troll on the thread.

If they are enjoying the thread, how is it damaging the group as a whole?

What am I missing?
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #237932 ] Fr, 17 März 2006 21:16
Orjan Westin  
peachy ashie passion wrote:
>
> Ok, as an idle curiosity...
>
> There are some who have expressed that they are enjoying toying with
> the troll on the thread.
>
> If they are enjoying the thread, how is it damaging the group as a
> whole?
> What am I missing?

That it's spreading. We who do not enjoy reading the troll and the
feeding of it, can killfile and/or avoid reading the troll and/or
thread. But as long as the troll gets attention, it stays and goes to
other threads, and even if we have killfiled it, we will still see the
replies from our friends, making it impossible for us to avoid their
enjoyment.

Soon enough, pretty much every thread is infected, and there'll be
increasingly annoyed comments aimed at the trollfeeders, asking them to
stop, and those, used to the aggressiveness of trollbaiting, will
respond in kind. There'll be fights between regulars, and people will
take the opportunity to settle old scores.

Soon enough, people will start avoiding the group. There'll be an
exodus. And the group will die.

But hey, as long as they enjoy it it's a price worth paying, right?

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] unpleasant behaviour [message #237946 ] Fr, 17 März 2006 21:45
Flesh-eating Dragon  
peachy ashie passion wrote:

> Ok, as an idle curiosity...
> There are some who have expressed that they are enjoying toying with
> the troll on the thread.
> If they are enjoying the thread, how is it damaging the group as a whole?
> What am I missing?

Perhaps, that the troll's behaviour is not constant.

One day, it's foaming at the mouth. The next, it's foaming at the
brain. I think everyone has a line beyond which the troll becomes so
repulsive that toying with it is no longer enjoyable. For some, the
troll crossed that line today. For some, yesterday. For some, the day
before. Mocking it might have been fun when it was foaming at the
mouth, but that doesn't mean it's still fun now that it's foaming at
the brain.

In other words, it no longer *means* anything that some of us were
enjoying the game yesterday, or the day before, or whenever. Just
because some people *were* enjoying the thread doesn't mean they're
enjoying it *now*. Every day, the troll becomes more rotten and more
putrid than it was before, and every day, there are fewer people left
who are willing to take a bite.

It's so rotten now that even a tiny nibble would be a serious health
hazard. There's nothing you can do for vegetables like that except to
put them on the compost heap and be done with it.

Adrian.
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #237950 ] Fr, 17 März 2006 22:00
Karen  
In article <480jovFhsgosU1 [at] individual.net>, Orjan Westin
<nospam [at] cunobaros.com> writes
>peachy ashie passion wrote:
>>
>> Ok, as an idle curiosity...
>>
>> There are some who have expressed that they are enjoying toying with
>> the troll on the thread.
>>
>> If they are enjoying the thread, how is it damaging the group as a
>> whole?
>> What am I missing?
>

Many? I've seen few say so and mostly a retraction when they see the
effects of it.

For every poster who plonks publicly there are many more who do so
silently by poster, thread or ignoring the whole group. For every
poster who points this out there are many more who simply stop reading.

Its always easy to say 'killfile the poster', 'kill the thread' but
relatively easily killing a significant poster effectively becomes
killing the group.

I know a good few 'ex's of here and other groups who start by killfiling
a particularly prolific and/or objectionable poster because that is the
correct, sensible thing to do, allows all to have their say and reduces
the acrimony right? Except when that poster affects half the threads on
the group or more and you find yourself killing more threads than you
read and anything else is lost in the noise it tends to feel like time
to move on. It happens very easily - there are reasons for most
conventions and there is a kind of 'pseudo tolerance' which paves the
way to hell for many a group.


>That it's spreading. We who do not enjoy reading the troll and the
>feeding of it, can killfile and/or avoid reading the troll and/or
>thread. But as long as the troll gets attention, it stays and goes to
>other threads, and even if we have killfiled it, we will still see the
>replies from our friends, making it impossible for us to avoid their
>enjoyment.
>

Or people simply avoid the group until it goes away. Except every time
posters do this there are some who just don't come back because the
percentage of posts they enjoy no longer outweighs the effort of
following a group.



>Soon enough, pretty much every thread is infected, and there'll be
>increasingly annoyed comments aimed at the trollfeeders, asking them to
>stop, and those, used to the aggressiveness of trollbaiting, will
>respond in kind. There'll be fights between regulars, and people will
>take the opportunity to settle old scores.
>
>Soon enough, people will start avoiding the group. There'll be an
>exodus. And the group will die.
>
>But hey, as long as they enjoy it it's a price worth paying, right?


Right on, brother. Its their perfect right to do exactly what they want
because they can, they get bonus points for citing freedom of speech.
Violet Elizabeth lives on.


--
Karen/hypatia Karen [at] lspace.org
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Confused? Mail the Clue Fairies at afp-help [at] lspace.org
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Re: [I] unpleasant behaviour [message #237952 ] Fr, 17 März 2006 22:00
Graycat  
On 17 Mar 2006 12:45:18 -0800, "Flesh-eating Dragon"
<dragon [at] netyp.com.au> jotted down:

>peachy ashie passion wrote:
>
>> Ok, as an idle curiosity...
>> There are some who have expressed that they are enjoying toying with
>> the troll on the thread.
>> If they are enjoying the thread, how is it damaging the group as a whole?
>> What am I missing?
>
>Perhaps, that the troll's behaviour is not constant.

>It's so rotten now that even a tiny nibble would be a serious health
>hazard. There's nothing you can do for vegetables like that except to
>put them on the compost heap and be done with it.

For me, it is more what Orjan said. The darn things spread.
They sneak into other threads, turning them into troll wars
too. They spawn entirely new little baby troll war threads.
They go get their frinds from the troll breeding grounds and
suddenly the whole group is Koom Valley.

Thanks, but no thanks.

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #237956 ] Fr, 17 März 2006 22:07
alec  
In article <480jovFhsgosU1 [at] individual.net>, nospam [at] cunobaros.com says...
> peachy ashie passion wrote:
> >
> > Ok, as an idle curiosity...
> >
> > There are some who have expressed that they are enjoying toying with
> > the troll on the thread.
> >
> > If they are enjoying the thread, how is it damaging the group as a
> > whole?
> > What am I missing?
>
> That it's spreading. We who do not enjoy reading the troll and the
> feeding of it, can killfile and/or avoid reading the troll and/or
> thread. But as long as the troll gets attention, it stays and goes to
> other threads, and even if we have killfiled it, we will still see the
> replies from our friends, making it impossible for us to avoid their
> enjoyment.
>
> Soon enough, pretty much every thread is infected, and there'll be
> increasingly annoyed comments aimed at the trollfeeders, asking them to
> stop, and those, used to the aggressiveness of trollbaiting, will
> respond in kind. There'll be fights between regulars, and people will
> take the opportunity to settle old scores.
>
> Soon enough, people will start avoiding the group. There'll be an
> exodus. And the group will die.

Exactly so - and I've seen it happen. The group was killed by the very
people who thought they were defending it. "In order to save the village
from the enemy, we had to destroy it".
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #237957 ] Fr, 17 März 2006 22:23
The Apostate  
peachy ashie passion wrote:
> Jessie C wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:39:56 +0100, Graycat wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Don't plonk them.
>>
>>
>> Or at the very least, plonk *quietly*. Nobody else needs to know your
>> viewing choices.
>
>
> Ok, as an idle curiosity...
>
> There are some who have expressed that they are enjoying toying with
> the troll on the thread.
>
> If they are enjoying the thread, how is it damaging the group as a whole?
>
> What am I missing?

Well, speaking personally I tend to read afp for enjoyment, intellectual
debate, chocolate, chairs, cats, etc (Oh and occasionally Pterry related
observations.)
Some of the threads of late remind me more of the playground scuffles I
have to sort out on a daily basis. I'm just waiting for the cries of
"Your mum." "Am I bovvered." "Yes but bo but yeah." etc.
--
The Apostate
CTID
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #237965 ] Fr, 17 März 2006 22:45
exquisite witch peach  
Karen wrote:
> In article <480jovFhsgosU1 [at] individual.net>, Orjan Westin
> <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> writes
>
>> peachy ashie passion wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ok, as an idle curiosity...
>>>
>>> There are some who have expressed that they are enjoying toying with
>>> the troll on the thread.
>>>
>>> If they are enjoying the thread, how is it damaging the group as a
>>> whole?
>>> What am I missing?
>>
>>
>
> Many? I've seen few say so and mostly a retraction when they see the
> effects of it.


Ok, but if it is only one, the question is still valid.

I've snipped the rest of all ya'lls responses, and thank you for them.

I suppose if the troll in question were already spreading, I'd never
have asked.


peach
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #238015 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 00:17
David Chapman  
From the Collected Witterings of peachy ashie passion, volume 23:

> There are some who have expressed that they are enjoying toying with
> the troll on the thread.

Nah, I got bored. Baiting the Usenet stupid is amusing. Baiting the
destructively stupid is pointless.

--
"My son is not a terrorist - he is a junior IT support officer."
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #238036 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 01:20
Brian Wakeling  
Does anyone know the best/easiest/most effective way to block
crossposts in OE?

Ta.


--
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but to one person you might be the world."
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #238038 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 01:22
Orjan Westin  
Brian Wakeling wrote:
> Does anyone know the best/easiest/most effective way to block
> crossposts in OE?

You can't, AFAIK.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #238058 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 02:11
Aggie  
"Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote in message
news:48125nFhj3m1U1 [at] individual.net...
> Brian Wakeling wrote:
>> Does anyone know the best/easiest/most effective way to block
>> crossposts in OE?
>
> You can't, AFAIK.
>
> Orjan

I sure don't know how, but the block sender option is working beautifully so
far. :)
Aggie
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #238087 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 04:26
Jeff C  
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:20:24 +0000, Brian Wakeling wrote:

>
> Does anyone know the best/easiest/most effective way to block
> crossposts in OE?

It involves uninstalling the Bill Gates Personal Virus Transporter and
installing proper newsreading software, but you probably don't want to
hear that.
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #238102 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 08:49
Arthur Hagen  
Orjan Westin <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
> Brian Wakeling wrote:
>> Does anyone know the best/easiest/most effective way to block
>> crossposts in OE?
>
> You can't, AFAIK.

No, but IIRC, you can block posts that contain specific newsgroups.

And, you can always set up a local leafnode server which blocks crossposts.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #238109 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 09:41
Thomas Zahr  
Brian Wakeling posted:

>
> Does anyone know the best/easiest/most effective way to
> block crossposts in OE?
>

Don't know about OE, Xnews has the option to filter out
crossposts, you can select how many groups are allowed. There
are some groups that are only readable because of that.

On shm for example Xnews regularly filters out about 60% of
the posts, all the cross posting is normally USian politics,
so the filter get's the group almost on topic.

--
Ciao

Thomas =:-)
<http://www.zahr.de>
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #238114 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 10:07
April Goodwin-Smith  
"peachy ashie passion" wrote ...
<snip>
> Ok, as an idle curiosity...
> There are some who have expressed that they are
> enjoying toying with the troll on the thread.
> If they are enjoying the thread, how is it damaging
> the group as a whole?
> What am I missing?
>

If someone is boring, they don't get any more interesting
when they are quoted.

Also, if they are boring, and they are encouraged to
spread their dullness to other threads, they still do not
get any more interesting.

It then appears that the persons who enjoy sparring with
the boring person therefore enjoy appearing bright in
comparison to an opponent who is seriously untwinkly.

We've all done it - especially when someone manages to
press one of our hot buttons. But eventually one realizes
one is doing the equivalent of demolishing a straw man.
It's too easy.

April.
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #238120 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 10:25
Brenda  
Jessie C said:

> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:20:24 +0000, Brian Wakeling wrote:
>
>>
>> Does anyone know the best/easiest/most effective way to block
>> crossposts in OE?
>
> It involves uninstalling the Bill Gates Personal Virus Transporter and
> installing proper newsreading software, but you probably don't want to
> hear that.

Why on earth not? It's in everybody's interests to know the availability of
alternatives - especially when problems arise.

One of my favourite lines from "Convoy" (circa 1529, starring Kris
Kristofferson, Ali MacGraw, and quite possibly Henry VIII as well) was the
one delivered by Madge Sinclair (playing "Widow Woman") shortly after
turning her (white) truck over by taking a 90 degree left-hander a bit too
fast: "I knew I shoulda bought maself a black truck". :-)

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour [message #238124 ] Sa, 18 März 2006 10:51
Diane L  
Brian Wakeling wrote:
> Does anyone know the best/easiest/most effective way to block
> crossposts in OE?

You can block messages "Where the message is on specified newsgroup"
and then apply to one or all of the cross-posted groups. Tools, Message
Rules, News gets you the option.

Diane L.
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250283 ] Di, 04 April 2006 09:04
PeterH  
It all started on Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:52:59 -0400, when Puck wrote:

> Sofia wrote:
>
>> OTOH, it could be just another boys-toy, that big boys play with on
>> their computers or something, and girls don't care that much for?
>
> This was true of most of the toys of my childhood. Not to sound sexist,
> but He-Man, Transformers, Ninja Turtles, Thundercats and so on were much
> better toys than My Little Ponies, Rainbow Brite, Strawberry Shortcake and
> the Care Bears.

The stories were better, though.


...PeterH
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250290 ] Di, 04 April 2006 09:56
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Puck wrote:

> This was true of most of the toys of my childhood. Not to sound sexist, but
> He-Man, Transformers, Ninja Turtles, Thundercats and so on were much better
> toys than My Little Ponies, Rainbow Brite, Strawberry Shortcake and the Care
> Bears.

Transformers were fun to play with, but I spit on everything else.
Especially He-Man, who definitely belongs on the rejects list.

Adrian.
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250294 ] Di, 04 April 2006 10:07
Puck  
Peter Davies wrote:
> It all started on Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:52:59 -0400, when Puck wrote:
>
>> Sofia wrote:
>>
>>> OTOH, it could be just another boys-toy, that big boys play with on
>>> their computers or something, and girls don't care that much for?
>>
>> This was true of most of the toys of my childhood. Not to sound
>> sexist, but He-Man, Transformers, Ninja Turtles, Thundercats and so
>> on were much better toys than My Little Ponies, Rainbow Brite,
>> Strawberry Shortcake and the Care Bears.
>
> The stories were better, though.

No way! I recently downloaded some of those old shows, and they were pretty
terrible. Admittedly He-Man was absolutely insane, but Transformers,
Thundercats, GI Joe etc. had complex ongoing storylines that, while
obviously intended for children, were not overly stupid or pointless.

Those girl shows, OTOH, were written on a level of intelligence that would
make Detritus feel like a nucelar physicist at a gym teacher symposium, and
were so sugarry sweet that they would put Mr. Rogers into a diabetic coma.

Once again, Jem was an exception. That one had a pretty good background.
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250295 ] Di, 04 April 2006 10:13
Puck  
8'FED wrote:
> Puck wrote:
>
>> This was true of most of the toys of my childhood. Not to sound
>> sexist, but He-Man, Transformers, Ninja Turtles, Thundercats and so
>> on were much better toys than My Little Ponies, Rainbow Brite,
>> Strawberry Shortcake and the Care Bears.
>
> Transformers were fun to play with, but I spit on everything else.
> Especially He-Man, who definitely belongs on the rejects list.

The He-Man toys were pretty good in the beginning. At the end of the line
they were basically taking any creature they could think of and altering its
name to sound macho. They'd take head lice and turn them into Lousor:
Skeletor's Evil Master of Itchiness.

The show was completely insane. You'd swear the writers were on lsd.
"Beast-Man, you numbskull! You're blundering has delivered the Sombrero of
Good Dental Hygiene right into He-Man's hands! Now my plan to learn the
secrets of Castle Grayskull through interpretive dance has been foiled!"
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250298 ] Di, 04 April 2006 10:18
PeterH  
It all started on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:07:38 -0400, when Puck wrote:

> Peter Davies wrote:
>> It all started on Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:52:59 -0400, when Puck wrote:
>>
>>> Sofia wrote:
>>>
>>>> OTOH, it could be just another boys-toy, that big boys play with on
>>>> their computers or something, and girls don't care that much for?
>>>
>>> This was true of most of the toys of my childhood. Not to sound sexist,
>>> but He-Man, Transformers, Ninja Turtles, Thundercats and so on were
>>> much better toys than My Little Ponies, Rainbow Brite, Strawberry
>>> Shortcake and the Care Bears.
>>
>> The stories were better, though.
>
> No way! I recently downloaded some of those old shows, and they were
> pretty terrible. Admittedly He-Man was absolutely insane, but
> Transformers, Thundercats, GI Joe etc. had complex ongoing storylines
> that, while obviously intended for children, were not overly stupid or
> pointless.
>
> Those girl shows, OTOH, were written on a level of intelligence that would
> make Detritus feel like a nucelar physicist at a gym teacher symposium,
> and were so sugarry sweet that they would put Mr. Rogers into a diabetic
> coma.

We are in perfect agreement.

I was unclear. :)


...PeterH
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250299 ] Di, 04 April 2006 10:32
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Puck wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:
>> Puck wrote:
>>
>>> This was true of most of the toys of my childhood. Not to sound
>>> sexist, but He-Man, Transformers, Ninja Turtles, Thundercats and so
>>> on were much better toys than My Little Ponies, Rainbow Brite,
>>> Strawberry Shortcake and the Care Bears.
>>
>> Transformers were fun to play with, but I spit on everything else.
>> Especially He-Man, who definitely belongs on the rejects list.
>
> The He-Man toys were pretty good in the beginning. At the end of the line
> they were basically taking any creature they could think of and altering its
> name to sound macho. They'd take head lice and turn them into Lousor:
> Skeletor's Evil Master of Itchiness.
>
> The show was completely insane. You'd swear the writers were on lsd.
> "Beast-Man, you numbskull! You're blundering has delivered the Sombrero of
> Good Dental Hygiene right into He-Man's hands! Now my plan to learn the
> secrets of Castle Grayskull through interpretive dance has been foiled!"

What I despised was the pseudomasculinity of He-Man. It was intended
for kids who see themselves as male first, human second. Anyone who
names themselves "I Am Definitely Male And That's All I Can Think Of
To Say About Myself" (which is what "He-Man" means) is compensating.

I don't think I ever had toys connected to a TV show. Except
Transformers. And you don't play with transformers because there's a
TV show about them. You play with transformers because they transform.

Childrens' cartoon series? Well, if you ignore things like Dangermouse
which were an entirely different genre, I was a Ulysses 31 enthusiast
myself.

Adrian.
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250301 ] Di, 04 April 2006 10:43
geminii  
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 04:07:38 -0400, "Puck" <Kormos.4 [at] osu.edu> wrote:

>No way! I recently downloaded some of those old shows, and they were pretty
>terrible. Admittedly He-Man was absolutely insane, but Transformers,
>Thundercats, GI Joe etc. had complex ongoing storylines that, while
>obviously intended for children, were not overly stupid or pointless.

I'm sorry, were you talking about G1 Transformers? The 80s cartoon
versions? The show which had such scripts as _Carnage in C-Minor_ and
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250302 ] Di, 04 April 2006 10:47
geminii  
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 04:07:38 -0400, "Puck" <Kormos.4 [at] osu.edu> wrote:

>No way! I recently downloaded some of those old shows, and they were pretty
>terrible. Admittedly He-Man was absolutely insane, but Transformers,
>Thundercats, GI Joe etc. had complex ongoing storylines that, while
>obviously intended for children, were not overly stupid or pointless.

I'm sorry, were you talking about G1 Transformers? The 80s cartoon
versions? The show which had such scripts as _Carnage in C-Minor_ and
_City of Steel_?

Ouch. At least tell me you've watched _Beast Wars_.


-SteveD
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250327 ] Di, 04 April 2006 13:38
Torak  
Puck wrote:
>
> The He-Man toys were pretty good in the beginning. At the end of the line
> they were basically taking any creature they could think of and altering its
> name to sound macho. They'd take head lice and turn them into Lousor:
> Skeletor's Evil Master of Itchiness.
>
> The show was completely insane. You'd swear the writers were on lsd.
> "Beast-Man, you numbskull! You're blundering has delivered the Sombrero of
> Good Dental Hygiene right into He-Man's hands! Now my plan to learn the
> secrets of Castle Grayskull through interpretive dance has been foiled!"

And then they went and made a He-Man toy with Real! Dissolving! Flesh!!!

Which was nice.

FCVO nice.
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250330 ] Di, 04 April 2006 13:40
Torak  
8'FED wrote:
>
> What I despised was the pseudomasculinity of He-Man. It was intended
> for kids who see themselves as male first, human second. Anyone who
> names themselves "I Am Definitely Male And That's All I Can Think Of
> To Say About Myself" (which is what "He-Man" means) is compensating.

Come to think of it, that loincloth *was* rather flat, wasn't it?

> I don't think I ever had toys connected to a TV show. Except
> Transformers. And you don't play with transformers because there's a
> TV show about them. You play with transformers because they transform.

And one of them has drills outs of his arse and rockets along on one of
those friction motors. But he was nowhere near as fun as that ambulance
with the rocket sled shooty thing.

> Childrens' cartoon series? Well, if you ignore things like Dangermouse
> which were an entirely different genre, I was a Ulysses 31 enthusiast
> myself.

I think there's something inherently brilliant about the letters A, K, M
and S. Bot MASK and The Mask were brilliant shows, for instance.
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250337 ] Di, 04 April 2006 14:20
geminii  
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:40:39 +0200, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>And one of them has drills outs of his arse and rockets along on one of
>those friction motors. But he was nowhere near as fun as that ambulance
>with the rocket sled shooty thing.

Twin Twist (1985) and Ratchet (1984).

tfu.info and cobraislandtoys.com - great places for 80s toy nostalgia. The
first site even has a search function based on colours and vehicle modes
(with pictures), so people can identify old toys. For example, there are
eleven transforming white ambulances listed. It's not limited to Hasbro
lines, either.


-SteveD
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250359 ] Di, 04 April 2006 17:03
Puck  
geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 04:07:38 -0400, "Puck" <Kormos.4 [at] osu.edu> wrote:
>
>> No way! I recently downloaded some of those old shows, and they were
>> pretty terrible. Admittedly He-Man was absolutely insane, but
>> Transformers, Thundercats, GI Joe etc. had complex ongoing
>> storylines that, while obviously intended for children, were not
>> overly stupid or pointless.
>
> I'm sorry, were you talking about G1 Transformers? The 80s cartoon
> versions? The show which had such scripts as _Carnage in C-Minor_ and
> _City of Steel_?
>
> Ouch. At least tell me you've watched _Beast Wars_.

Yup. That was a great one as well.

--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250361 ] Di, 04 April 2006 17:07
news0604  
Puck wrote:
> > Ouch. At least tell me you've watched _Beast Wars_.

IRTA "Breast Wars". Pass the brain bleach, please...

Michael
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250366 ] Di, 04 April 2006 17:58
Lister  
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:02:44 +0930, "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au>
wrote:
>
>Childrens' cartoon series? Well, if you ignore things like Dangermouse
>which were an entirely different genre, I was a Ulysses 31 enthusiast
>myself.
>


I preferred the Mysterious Cities of Gold, of which I have every
episode in DIVX format :)
Re: [M] unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250382 ] Di, 04 April 2006 19:39
sphira9343  
Lister wrote:

> I preferred the Mysterious Cities of Gold, of which I have every
> episode in DIVX format :)

I remember that. Didn't they find a giant golden condor? (Which I
kept hearing as...er...something else...)

CCA
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250387 ] Di, 04 April 2006 20:04
Dom  
8'FED wrote:
>
> Childrens' cartoon series? Well, if you ignore things like Dangermouse
> which were an entirely different genre, I was a Ulysses 31 enthusiast
> myself.

I did enjoy watching Ulysses 31 when I was a bit younger.

Now I have all the eps on DVD :)

--
Dom
afpSlave to CCA
Re: [M]unpleasant behaviour- meh [message #250391 ] Di, 04 April 2006 20:13
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Dom wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:
>>
>> Childrens' cartoon series? Well, if you ignore things like Dangermouse
>> which were an entirely different genre, I was a Ulysses 31 enthusiast
>> myself.
>
> I did enjoy watching Ulysses 31 when I was a bit younger.
> Now I have all the eps on DVD :)

At first I got confused by the American accents. They seemed to go on
about guards all the time, for some reason. Eventually I figured out
they were gods, but mispronounced. :-)

Adrian.
[I] Mysterious cities of Glod [Was: npleasant behaviour- meh] [message #250681 ] Do, 06 April 2006 01:33
graham  
Hi there,

On 4 Apr 2006 10:39:23 -0700, "CCA" <sphira9343 [at] aol.com> wrote:

>> I preferred the Mysterious Cities of Gold, of which I have every
>> episode in DIVX format :)
>
>I remember that. Didn't they find a giant golden condor?

Yes, which flew as long as it was in the sunlight.

As soon as the sun went behind a cloud, it had a tendency to, well,
plummet.

Not the greatest piece of design ever...!

Cheers,
Graham.
Re: [I] Mysterious cities of Glod [Was: npleasant behaviour- meh] [message #250781 ] Do, 06 April 2006 13:39
Lister  
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 00:33:28 +0100, graham
<graham [at] DELETETHISaffordable-leather.co.uk> wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>On 4 Apr 2006 10:39:23 -0700, "CCA" <sphira9343 [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> I preferred the Mysterious Cities of Gold, of which I have every
>>> episode in DIVX format :)
>>
>>I remember that. Didn't they find a giant golden condor?
>
>Yes, which flew as long as it was in the sunlight.
>
>As soon as the sun went behind a cloud, it had a tendency to, well,
>plummet.
>
>Not the greatest piece of design ever...!
>
>Cheers,
>Graham.


Actually, do any of you know of a (preferably free) video editing
package? See, the episodes I have don't have the opening music and
credits (or the closing ones). These are in a separate file, so I'm
looking to concatenate the files into 39 larger ones.
Re: [I] Mysterious cities of Glod [Was: npleasant behaviour- meh] [message #250807 ] Do, 06 April 2006 15:50
geminii  
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 00:33:28 +0100, graham
<graham [at] DELETETHISaffordable-leather.co.uk> wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>On 4 Apr 2006 10:39:23 -0700, "CCA" <sphira9343 [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> I preferred the Mysterious Cities of Gold, of which I have every
>>> episode in DIVX format :)
>>
>>I remember that. Didn't they find a giant golden condor?
>
>Yes, which flew as long as it was in the sunlight.
>
>As soon as the sun went behind a cloud, it had a tendency to, well,
>plummet.

"So it all runs off sunlight?"

"Yep! Well... that and outlets. But I've got lots of extension cords!"


-SteveD
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